Hillsborough Disaster...

[Admin]

Hi all,
I waited to see if anyone would post this, no one did so I thought I would write a quick something..
Obviously being a deeply sensitive subject, I'm in two minds whether it should be posted, but also I feel that something should be mentioned.

Today's news is that the 96 fans who were killed during the crush in the 1989 Hillsborough disaster, were unlawfully killed.

This is a huge breakthrough for the families and friends of the men, women and children killed at this match. After many years of lies, cover ups and more, it must be so emotionally relieving yet tragic for anyone who was directly involved with this tragedy.

So JF96 and YNWA. Justice finally and I hope this helps some of the families get closure.
Just thought it should be mentioned...

 

[Deleted member 3870]

I feel bad for the families and everything but it was repeated on the news more than once and I didn't see the point. I mean they got justice for the deaths so it seemed more like an excuse to milk it when it was on the news more than once. That's just how I feel about it and I'm sorry if that offends anyone

 

[Lovernotfighter]

It is good that the truth is out, of they are questions over prosecutions but those are questions for another day I think.

 

[Admin]

I feel bad for the families and everything but it was repeated on the news more than once and I didn't see the point. I mean they got justice for the deaths so it seemed more like an excuse to milk it when it was on the news more than once. That's just how I feel about it and I'm sorry if that offends anyone

Ooof I would certainly not say milking it.
Men, women and children were crushed in a crush, against solid steel pens and barriers.
The 'blame' was placed on the fans for being unruly and hooligans.
The Sun slandered the fans and the chief of police shirked responsibility too.
Basically these 96 people died and many many more badly injured, as a result of the grounds and the police.
Today's verdict from the jury is to find that the killings were indeed unlawful -as a result of police actions and NOT the fans..
It's taken 27 years to get this far, as the police and The Sun, covered it up and used a web of lies.

Today's result rebukes all of this and finally shifts the blame officially, on those who were and indeed are responsible - the police and the grounds for allowing what took place, to happen.
It's not milking it at all. Vindication if anything.

 

[Deleted member 3870]

Ooof I would certainly not say milking it. Men, women and children were crushed in a crush, against solid steel pens and barriers.
The 'blame' was placed on the fans for being unruly and hooligans.
The Sun slandered the fans and the chief of police shirked responsibility too.
Basically these 96 people died and many many more badly injured, as a result of the grounds and the police.
Today's verdict from the jury is to find that the killings were indeed unlawful -as a result of police actions and NOT the fans..
It's taken 27 years to get this far, as the police and The Sun, covered it up and used a web of lies.

Today's result rebukes all of this and finally shifts the blame officially, on those who were and indeed are responsible - the police and the grounds for allowing what took place, to happen.
It's not milking it at all. Vindication if anything.

Yeah I can understand that I suppose. I guess it's hard to really know what's it like if you're not them

 

[Handyguy59]

My Sis-in-Law was at school in North Wales then. One of her class went to the match and didn't come back. She is still very affected by it.

I can accept that mistakes could be made. But there is no excuse for the the cover-up, the deceit and lies, made by so many different parties involved.

 

[Admin]

My Sis-in-Law was at school in North Wales then. One of her class went to the match and didn't come back. She is still very affected by it.

I can accept that mistakes could be made. But there is no excuse for the the cover-up, the deceit and lies, made by so many different parties involved.

I am sorry to hear that. Hopefully this gives at least some closure and or a sense of relief for those affected directly by this awful tragedy.
Being made scapegoats by the system, by bureaucracy, in this case is immoral, unethical and beggars belief.
Sorry again that it still affects your sister-in-law.

 

[Scrunchy&Muffet]

Oh im so glad that after so many years the responsible parties have been found and justice served.
A massive relief for the families of those lost. My heart goes out to them all. But like you say, hopefully this has given some closure xxxx

 

[Deleted member 1030]

Anyone that went to a football match in the 80s will attest how we were all treated at the time - like animals or worse. The point about the Hillsborough disaster was - and this is even more clear after yesterday's verdict - that it could have been any team's fans, not just Liverpool supporters. As a colleague pointed out to me yesterday, can you imagine it happened at Wimbledon or Lords? You can guarantee that it wouldn't have taken nearly thirty years to uncover the truth. 96 dead, hundreds injured, thousands affected. Not only that, but the cover-up and the media smear campaign that followed, literally adding insult to injury. Children as young as 10, pensioners in their late 60s, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, parents, grandparents went to watch a football match and never returned - all due to the perception that we were scum who deserved nothing better.

Nothing but the greatest respect to the families and campaigners that finally got what they, and the victims, deserved.
JFT96

 

[CatEvolution]

An exceptionally sad day but it really is justice at last. A lesson to all in keeping the faith and fighting for what you believe in, no matter what.

 

[Pearls]

 

[Therapon]

This is not something I'm prepared to discuss but thank-you, it's been a long wait.

 

[EvilS]

This is a subject that makes me actually angry when I read about it.
It's a damn shame Anne Williams isn't alive to see yesterdays verdict.
It's great that the verdict was reached but it's taken too fucking long to come about.
I won't post about this again, it makes me too sad.
I can't even imagine how the families feel/felt, they only went to a football match.
You shouldn't die at a football match.

 

[meet_the_fockers]

Dont even go there i sat watching the horror unfold that day.. i will NEVER forget it.. im a staunch liverpool .. supporter.. its a great place to live. Scousers are the salt of the earth.. as honest as the day is long, they call a spade a spade but will also... include you back you 100% and fight till the end.. sound familiar.
I had freinds at the match that day.. its etched in my brain.. i remember the sheer horror and panic in the pub that day... i can see and hear it as clear as day.. i can still smell the fear and hear the frantic phone calls.. whilst people where trying to reach family and freinds.
Every scouser knew who was to blame..
The rubbish that was spouted.. by newspapers and the police was a huge cover up... its just a shame its taken so long for justice to prevail...

God bless you
..all scousers will be celebrating tonight i know it!!
Im gutted i wont be there..
i see my freinds celebrating on facebook.. mwahhhh
RIP GUYS 96 lost forever...
YOULL NEVER WALK ALONE!!!
ALWAYS IN MY HEART FOREVER!!
LEST WE FORGET.. never. Xxxxxx

and the sun all your fit for is wiping arses!!

 

[meet_the_fockers]

And it would never have happened if the basturds had shut the fucking gate.. and getting off this thread... eejitsssss

 

[Neither_dark_or_handsome]

Anyone that went to a football match in the 80s will attest how we were all treated at the time - like animals or worse. The point about the Hillsborough disaster was - and this is even more clear after yesterday's verdict - that it could have been any team's fans, not just Liverpool supporters. As a colleague pointed out to me yesterday, can you imagine it happened at Wimbledon or Lords? You can guarantee that it wouldn't have taken nearly thirty years to uncover the truth. 96 dead, hundreds injured, thousands affected. Not only that, but the cover-up and the media smear campaign that followed, literally adding insult to injury. Children as young as 10, pensioners in their late 60s, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, parents, grandparents went to watch a football match and never returned - all due to the perception that we were scum who deserved nothing better.

Nothing but the greatest respect to the families and campaigners that finally got what they, and the victims, deserved.
JFT96

There were a lot of arrogant comments made in the past from people of high positions towards people of so called 'lesser class' and held an 'it'll all blow over soon' attitude. Their day of reckoning has come and I hope they pay for what they have put innocent people through.

 

[Admin]

There were a lot of arrogant comments made in the past from people of high positions towards people of so called 'lesser class' and held an 'it'll all blow over soon' attitude. Their day of reckoning has come and I hope they pay for what they have put innocent people through.

I do believe this is only the start.. One suspension has already taken place.
The criminal proceedings will start, they will be knocking on doors soon.
I saw the pathetic effort the sun put in today....
Heads will roll for this, I am convinced of that.

 

[Neither_dark_or_handsome]

The decision was monumental and is an emotional for alot of people, but they will need to cool down and really think about the strategy.

The Murdoch (times, sun, sky) response was deplorable and shameful. One of my close friends works for the sun but have told him many a time that it is 's***e', nothing personal against him and he understands that.

 

[meet_the_fockers]

Finally, 27 long years later, the cold class contempt that Hillsborough came to signify is laid out for all to see. Those who died did not die because they were “animals” or drinking too much or behaving badly. They were unlawfully killed. Their families did not grieve too much because they were from Liverpool and therefore emotionally incontinent or full of working-class mawkishness; they grieved because they lost their loved ones in absolutely horrific circumstances. Still, to read the details of how these people died tightens my stomach. Of the 96 who died, 37 were teenagers. The reality is that the dead were all sorts of people from different backgrounds. But very quickly they became no longer individuals but part of a mob who somehow deserved this awful fate. As life was squeezed out of them, then too their humanity was taken from them by the police, by politicians and parts of the press.

The marathon campaign by the bereaved families and their supporters has been one class act. In the face of despair, there has been dignity. Yet we have to ask why it has taken so long for the truth to be acknowledged. It is surely to do with the way we do not like to talk about out-and-out class conflict. Instead, we are told that class hardly exists, except as an anthropological display to gawp at disdainfully on reality TV. The refusal of the establishment to countenance the level of police “coverup” is because “they” were indeed all in it together. This was more than a coverup. The police lied – they smeared the victims as some of them lay dying, testing even a 10-year-old’s blood for alcohol. All of this was relayed in the press so that the dead were reduced to the kind of rabble who urinated on and stole from each other. One of the extraordinary revelations is that it was the South Yorkshire police themselves who had a drinking problem, with bars in many of the stations .

 

[Pearls]

Finally, 27 long years later, the cold class contempt that Hillsborough came to signify is laid out for all to see. Those who died did not die because they were “animals” or drinking too much or behaving badly. They were unlawfully killed. Their families did not grieve too much because they were from Liverpool and therefore emotionally incontinent or full of working-class mawkishness; they grieved because they lost their loved ones in absolutely horrific circumstances. Still, to read the details of how these people died tightens my stomach. Of the 96 who died, 37 were teenagers. The reality is that the dead were all sorts of people from different backgrounds. But very quickly they became no longer individuals but part of a mob who somehow deserved this awful fate. As life was squeezed out of them, then too their humanity was taken from them by the police, by politicians and parts of the press.

The marathon campaign by the bereaved families and their supporters has been one class act. In the face of despair, there has been dignity. Yet we have to ask why it has taken so long for the truth to be acknowledged. It is surely to do with the way we do not like to talk about out-and-out class conflict. Instead, we are told that class hardly exists, except as an anthropological display to gawp at disdainfully on reality TV. The refusal of the establishment to countenance the level of police “coverup” is because “they” were indeed all in it together. This was more than a coverup. The police lied – they smeared the victims as some of them lay dying, testing even a 10-year-old’s blood for alcohol. All of this was relayed in the press so that the dead were reduced to the kind of rabble who urinated on and stole from each other. One of the extraordinary revelations is that it was the South Yorkshire police themselves who had a drinking problem, with bars in many of the stations .

So sad xxxx

 

[SussexSwinger]

Finally, 27 long years later, the cold class contempt that Hillsborough came to signify is laid out for all to see. Those who died did not die because they were “animals” or drinking too much or behaving badly. They were unlawfully killed. Their families did not grieve too much because they were from Liverpool and therefore emotionally incontinent or full of working-class mawkishness; they grieved because they lost their loved ones in absolutely horrific circumstances. Still, to read the details of how these people died tightens my stomach. Of the 96 who died, 37 were teenagers. The reality is that the dead were all sorts of people from different backgrounds. But very quickly they became no longer individuals but part of a mob who somehow deserved this awful fate. As life was squeezed out of them, then too their humanity was taken from them by the police, by politicians and parts of the press.

The marathon campaign by the bereaved families and their supporters has been one class act. In the face of despair, there has been dignity. Yet we have to ask why it has taken so long for the truth to be acknowledged. It is surely to do with the way we do not like to talk about out-and-out class conflict. Instead, we are told that class hardly exists, except as an anthropological display to gawp at disdainfully on reality TV. The refusal of the establishment to countenance the level of police “coverup” is because “they” were indeed all in it together. This was more than a coverup. The police lied – they smeared the victims as some of them lay dying, testing even a 10-year-old’s blood for alcohol. All of this was relayed in the press so that the dead were reduced to the kind of rabble who urinated on and stole from each other. One of the extraordinary revelations is that it was the South Yorkshire police themselves who had a drinking problem, with bars in many of the stations .

Not only as a fan who has attended games since the 70's and continue to today, I feel the pain of all those involved. I too, vividly remember watching on TV as the sad events unfolded that day. The gut wrenching scenes have stayed with me ever since. The family's and all those involved in the ensuing campaign deserve our full respect and admiration for their stoicism under pressure from the establishment. Never has there been such a miss carriage of justice and those that were involved in the lies and cover ups, should be hanging their heads in shame. Politicians, press and establishment, they are not fit for purpose. Our thoughts and prayers will be with the victims and those affected forever. You'll Never Walk Alone! God bless all xx

 

[meet_the_fockers]

Yeah I can understand that I suppose. I guess it's hard to really know what's it like if you're not them

Indeed!!!

 

[Handyguy59]

I am sorry to hear that. Hopefully this gives at least some closure and or a sense of relief for those affected directly by this awful tragedy.
Being made scapegoats by the system, by bureaucracy, in this case is immoral, unethical and beggars belief.
Sorry again that it still affects your sister-in-law.

Thanks @Admin She's visiting this weekend so it may be quite an emotional one. But I hope she does see it as a form of closure.

 

[Admin]

Thanks @Admin She's visiting this weekend so it may be quite an emotional one. But I hope she does see it as a form of closure.

Let's hope so.. And anyone else affected by this too.

 

[Handyguy59]

Let's hope so.. And anyone else affected by this too.

Remember this folks, lots of ordinary bobbies at the ground did the best they could DESPITE the malicious bastards in charge of them. And while it's easy to say, "All Coppers Are......you know the rest" the vast majority of bobbies, especially those in uniform, are anything but bent. It's their bosses who deserve to face the music.

so true...