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MOTM
As it was just across the water from here it was quite close to home , as for blame you have to point the finger at the scum that take money to exploit these people.... but there’s always a but .... however desperate you are would you get in a refrigerated sealed container ??
MOTM
I read earlier parents of one of the younger ones paid £30,000 to send her illegally over. What parent would do that?
People traffickers.
Criminals.
Pure and simple.
You don't know what circumstances those poor people have come from, and you can only stand in awe of the horrendous journey they've been on to travel to a country on the other side of the planet, different culture, different language, different climate etc.
These migrant pay thousands to traffickers for a better life and my heart goes out to them. This story is so tragic, and I wholeheartedly blame the criminals who know that a percentage of the people they're moving will die.
MOTM
I’ve no idea sure going through the correct channels probably wouldn’t be as expensive.... if that were even possible
As a general rule of thumb, I don’t speculate on innocent or guilt (I’m genuinely a huge believer in sub judice) but as a lawyer reminded me long ago, the only people obliged to grant the assumption of ‘innocent until proven guilty in a court of law’ are the judge and jury. It would, after all, be a pretty daft prosecutor who assumed the innocence of someone he was prosecuting.
But I’m no lawyer, so I don’t know whether he’s legally liable. I find it… difficult to assume he didn’t know what was in his lorry though.
MOTM
If he can prove he wasn’t involved then why should he be prosecuted...he picks up a trailer from the docks in good faith,question is who opened it to find the bodies ? So did they know people were inside? Was it the driver which kind of says he probably knew what the cargo was ...
MOTM
It would be awful if he did know. Sadly he’s thought of as guilty. I don’t know, it’s very sad.
MOTM
The driver opened it, vomited and the alarm was raised. That’s what I read on BBC news.
It’s incredibly difficult to prove a negative.
However, fortunately, the burden of proof in a criminal trial is on the prosecution. And they must prove not only knowledge but mens rea, the intent to commit the crime.
MOTM
So why open a refrigerated container on a estate if you didn’t know who was in there ?
MOTM
I have no clue as he wouldn’t have heard anything at that point. Maybe he was wondering why it was so silent or still even. Good question that though.
MOTM
If in that position would you not give any evidence you can to prove your innocence?
Boats, shipping containers, more boats, probably crammed into tiny spaces with nowhere to use the toilet, no water....
I can't imagine, PearlyGirly.
MOTM
Without getting too involved, I find it abhorrent that the MSM released his name, face pic and locale in the news when we know nothing about his involvement. Goes to show - no one gives a shit any more.
As for the people? God bless their souls. X
Yes, I see where you're coming from. But can you blame them for wanting to pay for a better life for their children/family?
I might… but again, it’s not up to me to prove my innocence, it’s up to prosecution to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
Never forget that being found ‘not guilty’ doesn’t mean someone didn’t do it, merely that the prosecution couldn’t prove it to a jury, beyond that same reasonable doubt.
And, as case after case has shown, being found guilty doesn’t mean someone actually did it, merely that the prosecution convinced a jury that they did.
No justice system is perfect.
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MOTM
I get that, I really do but if you have that amount of money then surely there is better than that?
I don’t know how I feel where blame lies but I do question, how all 39 died and found dead. Not one still alive. I’m wondering if there is more to it.
MOTM