Plus Size Model Tess Holliday

[Tiger]

Yes I agree to a certain extent but when I see models who are starved to go on the catwalk and have to comply with size zero or below rules I think it's very unhealthy, I also agree that this is no different and we all know where obesity can lead too, it's extreme on both sides, why can't they have simply healthy size in the middle.

I completely agree

Tiger xx

 

[Ahabs]

I think I saw the same Cosmo article on Twitter, and chose to steer well clear, too much of a powder keg thread with strangers on social media.

My thoughts however:
1. I am partial to curves, I don't hide that fact. I've even been accused by one member who's never chatted to me of actively hunting for BBW. And while it does not dictate my choices, I like to see a woman confident and comfortable in her own skin.

2. I believe every woman has the right to be comfortable in her own skin: whether that's size 6 or size 26, it should not determine the character of the person and for me, that's what I find beautiful. In short, if you have the body of a goddess but your attitude sucks, I'm passing you by

3. The magazine: sadly first glance does not give any context as to the message. It neither clearly says "if you're skinny, we think you should look like her" nor does it say "no matter what size, you are beautiful". It's open to interpretation.

4. What matters most is health: there's no point these magazines peddling some social standard that "size 6 is where it's at", which is just as bad as saying " if you don't like bigger, you're a bad person". The magazine can do better with context.

Just my thoughts, still in flux.

 

[Pearls]

View attachment 56877 This is the pic that Facebook banded a couple of years ago and they said it was offensive

Tess haliday was 26/28 in this pic
Fat obese big large whatever word you wanna use

Slim skinny Petite

Doesn't matter folk will always criticise

Pretty , ugly , glasses - the list goes on on

People will always pick flaws
It's human nature

What's attractive to one isn't attractive to another

One mans trash is another treasure

I am as big girl exactly Shame shape n size as Tess in this pic

Proud of who and what I am
But don't make assumption of how and why

Sx

I fully agree but as said it's not about being big and beautiful, I keep saying the same thing is it a good role model for kids to advertise obesity and size zero on the catwalk, I'm all for larger ladies and have been one myself but I also had health problems being that size, I wouldn't want my children having those health issues by being my size. I do not believe it's sending out the correct message sadly.

 

[Deleted member 1030]

Surely the message is that women come in various sizes, not just teeny tiny? It can only be a positive thing, especially for youngsters, I reckon.
As for eating disorders, I agree it is a pressing subject and a huge worry. I think, if handled correctly, this sort of positive body image could help with those.

 

[Pearls]

Surely the message is that women come in various sizes, not just teeny tiny? It can only be a positive thing, especially for youngsters, I reckon.
As for eating disorders, I agree it is a pressing subject and a huge worry. I think, if handled correctly, this sort of positive body image could help with those.

So being over weight and having diabetes through being over weight is ok? I'm all for curvy ladies and slim ladies, I don't really care but sending out these messages to youngsters is wrong, I had to shift the weight not only for myself but health reasons too... Crickey I even had water retention down to being fat
I think there should be an even balance there x

 

[Looby&Lew]

May be we should just be seeing normal everyday size and shape women of varying ages with all the lumps and bumps thst come with life's experiences. At the end of the day very few women have the perfect body shape without surgical enhancements. I'm with many others on here....beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there are people who are attractive on the outside but downright ugly on the inside. X

 

[Deleted member 1030]

being over weight and having diabetes through being over weight is ok?

No no, not at all. I think I mean that, as grown-ups, we are really responsible for our own health, I wouldn't suggest that anyone tries to emulate Tess Holliday or Kate Moss, particularly.

I just like the idea of people being presented with an alternative view of accepted beauty.

 

[Therapon]

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. But does this send out any message that a walk down the high street doesn't already do?

 

[Sammy]

I agree in respect I have a pre teen daughter

I don't ever want her to be excessively over weight and excessively under weight

Girls n boys need to understand it's ok not to need lips done not to have boob jobs no need to have your labia nippped n tucked

But they need to understand health risks for life in general
E.g.drinking drugs eating excercise stds

Not every big person experiences health issues
While not every slim
Person is healthy

It's all about balance

Equally size zero models are bad examples also

Tess haliday has smashed through myths that all big girls are ugly and lazy

It's a subject that people won't ever agree on

It amuses me when I chat with folk and I've clearly stated big big big girl

I tell folk my size and they say no way yer not ... oh yes I am honest

As I say I'm like marmite love me or hate me

It's same

Some folk love big girls while others are disgusted n turned off


The great debate continues

Sx

 

[Pearls]

I agree in respect I have a pre teen daughter

I don't ever want her to be excessively over weight and excessively under weight

Girls n boys need to understand it's ok not to need lips done not to have boob jobs no need to have your labia nippped n tucked

But they need to understand health risks for life in general
E.g.drinking drugs eating excercise stds

Not every big person experiences health issues
While not every slim
Person is healthy

It's all about balance

Equally size zero models are bad examples also

Tess haliday has smashed through myths that all big girls are ugly and lazy

It's a subject that people won't ever agree on

It amuses me when I chat with folk and I've clearly stated big big big girl

I tell folk my size and they say no way yer not ... oh yes I am honest

As I say I'm like marmite love me or hate me

It's same

Some folk love big girls while others are disgusted n turned off


The great debate continues

Sx

I’m only on about health risks with such advertising. Big, small, plastic or otherwise x

 

[fincon]

As I say I'm like marmite love me or hate me

Can honestly say both

a/ that I liked you (from chatting to you) before I learned you were ‘a big girl’, and

b/ that discovering you are a big girl didn’t change that in any way at all; didn’t enhance my view of you as sexy as hell, and neither did it detract from me thinking you’re sexy as hell.

 

[Pearls]

Can honestly say both

a/ that I liked you (from chatting to you) before I learned you were ‘a big girl’, and

b/ that discovering you are a big girl didn’t change that in any way at all; didn’t enhance my view of you as sexy as hell, and neither did it detract from me thinking you’re sexy as hell.

She’s only little.

 

[Sammy]

Can honestly say both

a/ that I liked you (from chatting to you) before I learned you were ‘a big girl’, and

b/ that discovering you are a big girl didn’t change that in any way at all; didn’t enhance my view of you as sexy as hell, and neither did it detract from me thinking you’re sexy as hell.

thank you for lovely comments as ever grateful appreciated
Sx

 

[Vanezza]

I get what you are saying @Pearls we don't want young impressionable kids getting the idea that being big and unhealthy or skinny and unhealthy is a good thing. We all need balance. I have been big since the age of 12 and I got bullied badly because of it along with other things that kids didn't like about me. I ate for comfort and hid the evidence I was a very unhappy teen but I changed that by re educating myself when I left school and then the long term relationship I was in (24 years) made me feel like I was unacceptable being big and the whole thing nearly started again. So I guess the whole thing makes me a bit sensitive even though I eat better now and controll it better plus having Neil who loves the way I look certainly helps.

Vxxx

 

[Pearls]

She’s only little.

Why do people think they are big when photos show they clearly aren’t.

 

[Leonidas480]

Interesting thread and great to see all the debate.

It's a difficult issue - on one hand, great to see a plus size model that is so happy with her shape and size. On the other hand, concerning if the mag is proposing 'this is the size you should aim for'.

I haven't read the article tbh, context would be useful.

 

[Pearls]

I get what you are saying @Pearls we don't want young impressionable kids getting the idea that being big and unhealthy or skinny and unhealthy is a good thing. We all need balance. I have been big since the age of 12 and I got bullied badly because of it along with other things that kids didn't like about me. I ate for comfort and hid the evidence I was a very unhappy teen but I changed that by re educating myself when I left school and then the long term relationship I was in (24 years) made me feel like I was unacceptable being big and the whole thing nearly started again. So I guess the whole thing makes me a bit sensitive even though I eat better now and controll it better plus having Neil who loves the way I look certainly helps.

Vxxx

I know only to well about bullying. Been there as mentioned before. Trust me when I say this is not about size but I don’t want a model of 4stone(yes4) and 21 stone being a role model for children. I know I wasn’t x

 

[Pearls]

On the other hand, concerning if the mag is proposing 'this is the size you should aim for'.

This is it. X

 

[Pearls]

It’s quite simple. Most of us have children here. If you think being a size zero or a size thirty is being a good role model then so be it. I don’t want my child to have health problems because of these models. Personally I love all sizes and be proud of it but we are adults. See my point.

 

[Sammy]

It’s quite simple. Most of us have children here. If you think being a size zero or a size thirty is being a good role model then so be it. I don’t want my child to have health problems because of these models. Personally I love all sizes and be proud of it but we are adults. See my point.

I think we have agreed and can't see anyone disagreeing with you ,
We all want our children happy and healthy
Sx

 

[Pearls]

I think we have agreed and can't see anyone disagreeing with you ,
We all want our children happy and healthy
Sx

No disagreeing just not seeing the point. Go through the thread and you will see what I mean. This was never about being big and beautiful. Just about health.

 

[Sammy]

No disagreeing just not seeing the point. Go through the thread and you will see what I mean. This was never about being big and beautiful. Just about health.

I think health issues have been discussed openly throughout
Sx

 

[Pearls]

I think health issues have been discussed openly throughout
Sx

Yep by a select few. X

 

[Lips_Pearls]

Don't know where the agree/disagree dialogue is coming from......
All I see is someone saying that;
It's not healthy to be extremely underweight
&
It's not healthy to be extremely overweight
Why the agree, disagree, he said/she said, I have no idea...

To me this is no different to exposing size zero models on the catwalk. No one congratulates that as we know what they have to go through to do so.
yet it's seemingly okay to say 'bravo' to the larger lady for expressing herself against all odds.
Yes it's a challenge and empowerment, of course it is.. but also sending out the wrong message.

If it wasn't then why did so many glossy mags ban the size zero effect, just like they will with the size 20+ effect in a few years time.
If you want healthy, curvy men and women, go middle of the road.
Not extremes which encourage influential kids to follow suit because they think they can earn a quick few quid by doing so.

So now it's suddenly okay to put a larger lady on a glossy mag because it's changing points of views?
About time the larger lady was shown on such things?
No... it's equally as bad as the size zero.
It's one extreme to another and the only people who win are the publishers.

Beauty is skin deep, we all know that.. but stop glamorising it on ALL sides.
It's not good for influential people.

 

[opiumpair]

As many have said,it's becoming a "pick a side" tactic from many organisations and moral campaigns.
Is it wise to show both extremes of weight?,shouldn't we be concentrating on the health aspect of it all?
I'm a slim woman always have been,and i even get my friends saying jokingly "i hate you".
It may be said jokingly ,but is it really? I have had to work out and be active,even slim girls can get unhealthy.

And due to my illness i have lost most of my body muscle and building it back has been the fight of my life.

Plus size or zero size,i'd settle for my health anyday,and beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

We are all beautiful in our own way xxx