Racism debate on r2
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What did he say?Well I have heard Jeremy Vine talk some bollocks but todays talk about racism is utter nonesense
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Missed it today. Caught in a meeting...Well I have heard Jeremy Vine talk some bollocks but todays talk about racism is utter nonesense
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Indeed, what was said?
Whoopsie you been naughty again? Did the boss call you into her office?
From what I heard he was talking to a lady about racism and as an example he told her how he "daren't ask a coloured cab driver where they're from for being fearful of being accused a racist, so instead he asks if they grew up in London"
Asking someone where they're from surely wouldn't be perceived as being racist? I asked my shopkeeper where he were from and he said Dewsbury but his parents India. In fact we had an in-depth conversation about it but surely he didn't think I was being racist
.The mind boggles
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It's a white problem.Whoopsie you been naughty again? Did the boss call you into her office?
From what I heard he was talking to a lady about racism and as an example he told her how he "daren't ask a coloured cab driver where they're from for being fearful of being accused a racist, so instead he asks if they grew up in London"
Asking someone where they're from surely wouldn't be perceived as being racist? I asked my shopkeeper where he were from and he said Dewsbury but his parents India. In fact we had an in-depth conversation about it but surely he didn't think I was being racist
The mind boggles
B x
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Aye aye. Something like that!Whoopsie you been naughty again? Did the boss call you into her office?
From what I heard he was talking to a lady about racism and as an example he told her how he "daren't ask a coloured cab driver where they're from for being fearful of being accused a racist, so instead he asks if they grew up in London"
Asking someone where they're from surely wouldn't be perceived as being racist? I asked my shopkeeper where he were from and he said Dewsbury but his parents India. In fact we had an in-depth conversation about it but surely he didn't think I was being racist
The mind boggles
B x
Hmm a tricky one. For example, I got chatting to one of the dads down the school last year. He was foreign and didn’t speak English very well.
I asked him; where are you from then?
His response?
Up the road mate.
So yeah... doesn’t always get the point across.
True true...... but I bet neither of you thought you were being racist by asking?Aye aye. Something like that!
Hmm a tricky one. For example, I got chatting to one of the dads down the school last year. He was foreign and didn’t speak English very well.
I asked him; where are you from then?
His response?
Up the road mate.
So yeah... doesn’t always get the point across.
B x
Aye aye. Something like that!
Hmm a tricky one. For example, I got chatting to one of the dads down the school last year. He was foreign and didn’t speak English very well.
I asked him; where are you from then?
His response?
Up the road mate.
So yeah... doesn’t always get the point across.
Ok how about five people sat in a room and somebody said to you "which one's Bob?" and you say "the black one". Is that racist?
I don't think so personally. It's just like replying "the Ginger one" or "the larger fella". It's a descriptor.
To me racism is somebody making a derogatory comment or generalisation about a race meant to offend.
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Feel I just have to comment. But before I do (and as I worry about cold text being missunderstood) let me make a statement. Before the lovely Linda I've dated other ladies from abroad and had a partner of mixed race, I'm fundamenaly anti racism.
Sadly another example of a person of ethnic background who thinks that colour has to be the most important issue and harps on about it. Yes she may have a point but some times the reasons or answers aren't as clear cut as the appear. Corridors of power and the police, not a representative number? Yes, but do 14% of those apply turn out to be people of ethnic background?
Perhaps my thoughts are best put by a tale I heard once.
A man turned up at an office to complain over something and was shown into a room where a man sat with dark glasses. The complainer black, the man in dark glasses white. The man rightly complained about his problem because it was true that he'd been mistreated. He explained all the facts and the official listened intently. Finally he spoke and explained that he would need to have the matter looked into as he couldn't just jump to concusions. Angrily the complainer retorted back "There you go, same as always, you people hide behind the rules and procedure instead of acknowledging what's staring you in the face, at no time have you even mentioned the fact I'm black". The official sighed and removed his glasses. Staring back with two blank eyes he calmly replied "I'm sorry you feel that way, but you must understand you never said, and I can't tell the difference between a black voice and a white voice".
No one talks about left and right handedness these days. Are we in denial? Are we secretly anti lefties? No... we have gotten over it and fail to notice now. I may notice, but don't give a f#ck. If I see a gorgeous black woman I don't think wow she's a hot black lady, strangely the black part doesn't matter much to me. True I know there's racism out there, but I fight against it by ignoring the difference and seeing the beauty first not the colour.
Sadly another example of a person of ethnic background who thinks that colour has to be the most important issue and harps on about it. Yes she may have a point but some times the reasons or answers aren't as clear cut as the appear. Corridors of power and the police, not a representative number? Yes, but do 14% of those apply turn out to be people of ethnic background?
Perhaps my thoughts are best put by a tale I heard once.
A man turned up at an office to complain over something and was shown into a room where a man sat with dark glasses. The complainer black, the man in dark glasses white. The man rightly complained about his problem because it was true that he'd been mistreated. He explained all the facts and the official listened intently. Finally he spoke and explained that he would need to have the matter looked into as he couldn't just jump to concusions. Angrily the complainer retorted back "There you go, same as always, you people hide behind the rules and procedure instead of acknowledging what's staring you in the face, at no time have you even mentioned the fact I'm black". The official sighed and removed his glasses. Staring back with two blank eyes he calmly replied "I'm sorry you feel that way, but you must understand you never said, and I can't tell the difference between a black voice and a white voice".
No one talks about left and right handedness these days. Are we in denial? Are we secretly anti lefties? No... we have gotten over it and fail to notice now. I may notice, but don't give a f#ck. If I see a gorgeous black woman I don't think wow she's a hot black lady, strangely the black part doesn't matter much to me. True I know there's racism out there, but I fight against it by ignoring the difference and seeing the beauty first not the colour.
I'm just going to say this and then I'm off over there to take my serious head off and have fun >>>>.
I know I started the topic but actually I can't be doing with any of it. How many times do you hear people say
"I can't talk to him, he's gay"
"He's alright for a black lad"
"He gets a break to pray, why can't I have a break"
"She's playing the sexist card"
"He's playing the race card"
"It's a he-she"
"It's a she-he"
"You can't say that, he's a director"
It's all utter crap isn't it at the end of the day.
I'll talk to anybody me, I do not give a monkey's chuff. If you're alright with me, I'll be alright with you.
Peace
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I know I started the topic but actually I can't be doing with any of it. How many times do you hear people say
"I can't talk to him, he's gay"
"He's alright for a black lad"
"He gets a break to pray, why can't I have a break"
"She's playing the sexist card"
"He's playing the race card"
"It's a he-she"
"It's a she-he"
"You can't say that, he's a director"
It's all utter crap isn't it at the end of the day.
I'll talk to anybody me, I do not give a monkey's chuff. If you're alright with me, I'll be alright with you.
Peace
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Whilst i would agree with most of what you say your final line about ignoring the difference i could not disagree more. I personally say far from ignoring the difference i would say we should enjoy the difference its what makes each of us what we are DIFFERENT. I always ask strangers where they are from and we usually end up having a laugh about something that stands out about that country or such like.
It's not enough to say you're colour blind - you have to acknowledge the insitutional racism and bigotry in our societyI'm just going to say this and then I'm off over there to take my serious head off and have fun >>>>.
I know I started the topic but actually I can't be doing with any of it. How many times do you hear people say
"I can't talk to him, he's gay"
"He's alright for a black lad"
"He gets a break to pray, why can't I have a break"
"She's playing the sexist card"
"He's playing the race card"
"It's a he-she"
"It's a she-he"
"You can't say that, he's a director"
It's all utter crap isn't it at the end of the day.
I'll talk to anybody me, I do not give a monkey's chuff. If you're alright with me, I'll be alright with you.
Peace
B x
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I agree with your point but would put it differently. Yes celebrate the difference, but not feel it has to be commented on and pointed out all the time. Which sounds better? 5 friends enjoyed the game, or 5 friends one if which is black enjoyed the game. We should enjoy our differences but not segregate ourselves with them.
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I've moved this to the Debates and Discussion forum, as it was becoming too big a conversation for the other thread and I didn't want to stop it 
See previous comment
"It's not enough to say you're colour blind - you have to acknowledge the insitutional racism and bigotry in our society"
No I don't I see people as people some bad some good. Colour has nothing to do with it. People judge the man down the street for instance because he's black that's racist because they are taking into account only his skin colour and not him as a person same goes for the opposite way around. A person is a person the colour of a person's skin as nothing to do with it and neither does where they come from. I got called a white bitch once for protecting an animal but that's a whole new story. I don't judge anyone by skin colour and neither should anyone the colour of a person's skin does not represent the person. However the racist card for very mild and inoffensive comments does happen far too much these days and I find that very sad.
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I have a problem with the very language of the debate itself - race/racism/mixed race/interracial - what is that?
It colours the debate with language that hints, insinuates that there are separate species of humans, as if we are not all one race or species. Humans are humans. We're perfectly capable of interbreeding and the genetic difference between you and me - from wherever on the planet - is less than 0.01%.
It's false. It's a nonsense. It's pseudo-science from the 1800s... like imagining that phrenology or palmistry tells you something about a set of people...
And so we use this inherited concept of race without thinking where it comes from and what it means. White people need to recognise that the problem of racism is an entrenched evil that invades the very language we use. No matter how much we say we're not "racist".
In this context, the idea of "race" sets people apart.
Does that make sense?
The idea of race is separate "races" of humans - when all the evolutionary, biological and scientific evidence says that's bollocks.
And yet we still refer to everything in those terms.
*scratches head*
It colours the debate with language that hints, insinuates that there are separate species of humans, as if we are not all one race or species. Humans are humans. We're perfectly capable of interbreeding and the genetic difference between you and me - from wherever on the planet - is less than 0.01%.
It's false. It's a nonsense. It's pseudo-science from the 1800s... like imagining that phrenology or palmistry tells you something about a set of people...
And so we use this inherited concept of race without thinking where it comes from and what it means. White people need to recognise that the problem of racism is an entrenched evil that invades the very language we use. No matter how much we say we're not "racist".
In this context, the idea of "race" sets people apart.
Does that make sense?
The idea of race is separate "races" of humans - when all the evolutionary, biological and scientific evidence says that's bollocks.
And yet we still refer to everything in those terms.
*scratches head*
Even the very language of "black and white" - I'm not white, I'm a kind of pinky brown (atm). I have friends of dozens of hues. It rubbish.
It's a lazy shorthand to divide people
It's a lazy shorthand to divide people