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Again.. it was sarcasm...Badly worded , lost in translation and wonderfully cornered by you lot.
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MOTM
May you please point me to your scientific evidence base for this, and it would also be most kind of you explain who the vast majority of smokers manage to stay in employment.
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For the third time in this thread, it's meant to be sarcasm to your post to ask why smoking needs benefits, LNF
I cannot form an argument for the above as I am not educated enough in these geographical areas.
In our location a lot of council estates are racially/religiously segregated. Some areas maybe Hindu others Muslim others Eastern European others White British. It's absolutely bonkers.
None are particularly appealing in my opinion but last year when we were about to be made homeless, we would've temporarily taken anything until we found something else (luckily I was able to find us something in the nick of time).
B x
MOTM
I never once said smokers needed benefits I seem to remember making a counter moral point to yours. This is in the debates section of the forums after all.
MOTM
I believe that's the result of questionable housing policy that was common across west yorkshire, Leeds and Bradford are much the same.
It's a whole 'nother debate but, again, there is a school of thought and a fair bit of evidence that says addiction is an illness not a choice.
But, that's another conversation
I think everybody misunderstood your point there
I get what you mean I think.
You do not want to fund people who smoke who choose not to work.
I get that, but I don't think it's reasonable to say to an honest person who has been made jobless and is actively looking for work, that they should not smoke whilst being unemployed.
It's just not quite that simple and pretty impossible to enforce
.B x
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Thanks for understanding.I think everybody misunderstood your point there
I get what you mean I think.
You do not want to fund people who smoke who choose not to work.
I get that, but I don't think it's reasonable to say to an honest person who has been made jobless and is actively looking for work, that they should not smoke whilst being unemployed.
It's just not quite that simple and pretty impossible to enforce
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Why cannot it be enforced? In the US, you get cash vouchers that governs on what one can spend the cash on. Why is it not enforcible?
Ah yes I forgot you are quite local to me. You will know exactly what I mean about racial segregation in social housing. Huddersfield also has various council estates where you will generally find it occupied mostly by just one ethnic group.
Yes very poor housing policies. Instead of intergrating people into the communtity we segregate them and split one community into several. Utterly bonkers
.B x
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Yes, agree to that as well but that's a health are burden and falls on NHS. Agree it's a different debateIt's a whole 'nother debate but, again, there is a school of thought and a fair bit of evidence that says addiction is an illness not a choice.
But, that's another conversation
A burden on the NHS? Smokers already subsidise the NHS through mahoosive taxes on tobacco.
What about people who... are overweight?
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MOTM
I'm aware of it even though it's not something that really happened in North Yorkshire or York.Ah yes I forgot you are quite local to me. You will know exactly what I mean about racial segregation in social housing. Huddersfield also has various council estates where you will generally find it occupied mostly by just one ethnic group.
Yes very poor housing policies. Instead of intergrating people into the communtity we segregate them and split one community into several. Utterly bonkers
B x
Ah the US is hardly a shining example of a good benefits system.
Give addicted people food vouchers (essentially animalising them and taking a certain level of freedom) and I guarentee that some of the people will either find a way of trading their food vouchers for their addiction (tabacco, alcohol or whatever) or they will turn to crime.
B x
MOTM
Why did I think you lived in Huddersfield?
My bad.
Oooooo it's all posh up there in York
.B x
Lol, quite - but we can go around penalising various groups who cost us too much money/aren't deserving enough/whatever which is fine until we realise that, Oh, maybe I might fit into one of those categories...Another debate there
And that can change your perspective.
MOTM
Not where I am (I'm not really in York).Why did I think you lived in Huddersfield?
My bad.
Oooooo it's all posh up there in York
B x
MOTM
my perspective won't change.
It's simple, help people who need help.
Don't let people like my sister receive £600 per week and a luxury life style on benefits. This is wrong.
MOTM
Nope not for @Pearls.I thought about it once, all them fancy suits an everything
I fully expect you to turn up to Parliament in Leather or Lace. You'll get my vote.
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MOTM
I got a leather mini skirt! Would that doNope not for @Pearls.
I fully expect you to turn up to Parliament in Leather or Lace. You'll get my vote.
B x
If you attend Westminster in nothing but a leather (or any other fabric) miniskirt, BBC Parliament would be my new most watched TV channelI got a leather mini skirt! Would that do
B x
MOTM
What no boobie tubeIf you attend Westminster in nothing but a miniskirt, BBC Parliament would be my new most watched TV channel
B x