I was told by a sexual health worker in 2010 that the odds of catching HIV amongst men in London who have unprotected sex is 1 in 5, which is worse odds than Russian Roulette, but I've never been able to substantiate it.
What about swingers?I was told by a sexual health worker in 2010 that the odds of catching HIV amongst men in London who have unprotected sex is 1 in 5, which is worse odds than Russian Roulette, but I've never been able to substantiate it.
Ah, risk and the perception of risk...
Russian Roulette is a stable 1 in 6 chance of death - shagging without a jonnie does not result in instant death and, as the stats below hint, it is a more complex picture.
In 2015 (year I can get most recent figs. for) the total number of new STI diagnoses was 434,456; a decrease of 3.4% from 449,642 in 2014.
Large, disproportionate increases in diagnoses were seen in men who have sex with men, including a 21% increase in gonorrhoea and a 19% increase in syphilis. Although this may be partly due to increased testing, Public Health England said “high levels of condomless sex probably account for most of this rise”.
Young people are more likely to be diagnosed with an STI than older age groups. In 2015, among heterosexuals diagnosed, 15 to 24-year-olds accounted for 62% of those with chlamydia, 52% with gonorrhoea, 51% with genital warts, and 41% with genital herpes
Ok, here's some averages for number of times you'd likely have unprotected, penetrative sex before contracting something:
CHLAMYDIA
Living With It: Uncomfortable…then you take some pills and it’s gone.
Curable: Yes (2-4 Weeks)
RAW Score: 36 Partners
Condom Protects: Yes
GONORRHEA
Living With It: Painful. Hope for no pus. Then you take some pills and it’s gone.
Curable: Yes (within a month)
RAW Score: 179 Partners
Condom Protects: Yes
SYPHILIS
Living With It: Itchy. Then 15 years later you go insane and kill yourself… (no, seriously.)
Curable: Yes
RAW Score: 1841 partners (no, that’s not a typo)
Condom Protects: No
HPV (HIGH-RISK STRAINS)
Living With It: A nuisance. A few years of awkward conversations. Hopefully just one (painful) operation for women.
Curable: No, but it typically leaves on its own after a few years. There is also a vaccine for women and men now (get it!).
RAW Score: 4 Partners
Condom Protects: No
GENITAL HERPES
Living With It: There’s a good chance you already have it.
Curable: No, but who cares?
RAW Score: 13 Partners
Condoms Protect: No
HIV
Living With It: Expensive and stressful, but assuming you’re not African, you’ll live.
Curable: No
RAW Score: 1,250 Partners (significantly fewer partners if engaging in anal sex)
Condoms Protect: Yes
PREGNANCY
Living With It: Completely and irreversibly life-changing
Curable: Uhh… err…
RAW Score: 100 sexual encounters
Condom: 85% effective
Food for thought...
Just 'cos one likes to fuck, doesn't necessarily equate to higher risks - indeed, older people are more likely to practice safe sex and swingers would, one hopes, be more fastidious and practiced in their behaviour.What about swingers?
I won't go by news paper articles, Ive seen it first hand how rife it is in some parts of the country, some areas I wouldn't go near, swingers have given a bad name to people who are genuine and play safe sad but very true.Just 'cos one likes to fuck, doesn't necessarily equate to higher risks - indeed, older people are more likely to practice safe sex and swingers would, one hopes, be more fastidious and practiced in their behaviour.
BUT
The 'swinging classes' are a small minority of the population and all the evidence I can find (mostly newspaper articles) is anecdotal - ie, no broad statistical studies.
Short answer = I don't know
I think I have mentioned this before, I know of a guy that has HIV and openly sleeps with people without telling them, everyone knows about it, he's a huge player in the scene and has infected a huge amount of people, he simply lies to get his victims into bed
We went to a party with this guy, he had a threesome with his innocent victims, they were none the wiser and very young, he still very active on another site and still active everywhere else.Hmmm.
If you're having protected sex there's no law saying you must tell people that you have HIV - it's your choice whether you tell sexual partners.
However, in England and Wales you can be prosecuted for reckless transmission of HIV if you had sex with someone who didn’t know you had HIV when you did.
Well just like a criminal he should be named and shamed without a doubt he is committing effectively GBH or even Murder !!I think I have mentioned this before, I know of a guy that has HIV and openly sleeps with people without telling them, everyone knows about it, he's a huge player in the scene and has infected a huge amount of people, he simply lies to get his victims into bed
I won't go by news paper articles, Ive seen it first hand how rife it is in some parts of the country, some areas I wouldn't go near, swingers have given a bad name to people who are genuine and play safe sad but very true.
That kinda sounds like a job for the boys in blue...?We went to a party with this guy, he had a threesome with his innocent victims, they were none the wiser and very young, he still very active on another site and still active everywhere else.
We have a criminal justice system for that kind of thing - not sure rent-a-mobs are neededWell just like a criminal he should be named and shamed without a doubt he is committing effectively GBH or even Murder !!
I would say it already has, I do know that he was reported but is still active in the scene, stay away from the Bristol/Newport areaThat kinda sounds like a job for the boys in blue...?
Jeezuz :/I would say it already has, I do know that he was reported but is still active in the scene, stay away from the Bristol/Newport area
I won't go by news paper articles, Ive seen it first hand how rife it is in some parts of the country, some areas I wouldn't go near, swingers have given a bad name to people who are genuine and play safe sad but very true.
Article from the Independent...Just 'cos one likes to fuck, doesn't necessarily equate to higher risks - indeed, older people are more likely to practice safe sex and swingers would, one hopes, be more fastidious and practiced in their behaviour.
BUT
The 'swinging classes' are a small minority of the population and all the evidence I can find (mostly newspaper articles) is anecdotal - ie, no broad statistical studies.
Short answer = I don't know
? not sure were you got rent a mob from ??We have a criminal justice system for that kind of thing - not sure rent-a-mobs are needed
He's just phrasing it - we don't need a vigilante style outing or action here (such as naming and shaming) etc. That's all.? not sure were you got rent a mob from ??
Yes, no offence meantHe's just phrasing it - we don't need a vigilante style outing or action here (such as naming and shaming) etc. That's all.
Not maliciously intended Mr G
Without trying to get back into the debate myself, with relation to this all I can say is = wow!And then we come to PrEP (Pre-exposure prophylaxis), which is that new(ish) pill that promises to cut HIV transmission rates by 80-85% - which is great. You can take it, bit like the morning after pill, before/after an encounter.
BUT
It bothers me that you can just buy it on t'internet and it can promote really fucking risky behaviour because you've popped this wonder pill and you'll be fine, so just go on some chem-sex bender with 20-or so new friends for a few days and everything will be fine
Used to be a drugs/alcohol/mental health worker - this stuff interests meWithout trying to get back into the debate myself, with relation to this all I can say is = wow!
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